April US vehicle sales results
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GM is using Honda V6 engines in some Saturn models, the Ion and the Vue mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have replaced the cap, wires, plugs and rotor…the problem still > exists (although the car gained a bit of power and a little fuel economy in > the process, I think!). It is the same regardless if you are on a hill or on > flats..which makes me think that fuel pressure is not being affected and > instead, possibly, the coil is getting weak? Any thoughts? And how much > would a coil run on an ‘87 Turbo I? > Aaron
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>Toyota and Nissan are smart to move to trucks where the market is >going. Over 52% of the vehicle sold in the US are trucks and the >percentage grows even year. Even the Koreans are making some >nice SUV’s. Honda is missing the boat, they better get with the >program soon. >mike hunt
Since they are scoring the biggest gains in market share these days (with very little in the way of buyer incentive$, BTW) I think it is fair to say they are "with the program." They have their entries in the minivan, small and midsize SUVs categories and they are all selling quite well. The market is moving away from the truck-based SUVs and into the (somewhat less offensive) crossover vehicles and Honda is well positioned to benefit from that trend. As long as the factories are running full tilt and Honda is getting full (wholesale) price, I don’t see why they would want to get into trucks. A few people will still want the monster truck and HD off-road SUVs and the domestics will continue to lead that limited market. Toyota has designs on the pickup market and will probably also compete in bigger SUVs if demand is sufficient. In virtually every other segment, the domestics are hemorrhaging market share. The Big 3 Japanese companies (and now Hyundai) take market share away from the domestics year after year. I’m old enough to remember when GM’s market share was twice what it is today. Their current share would be even lower except for heavy incentives and their lowest-cost-provider niche – big sales, but marginal profits.
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>Who’da thunk Hyundai would ever recover like they did?
Well, their styling alone helps them a lot.
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Get over that idea, quality is a function of management, not where the product is assembled. For now most of the vehicles built in Mexico are for export to countries other than the US. Toyota and Honda are building plants in Mexico and China as well. American consumers better soon wise up and buy products produce in America by American federal tax paying corporations or the only job skill your children and grand children will need is how to say ‘Do you want fries with that?’ or ‘Welcome to WalMart! When hugh and small companies like Bethlehem Steel and the 26 smaller steel companies can go out of business in just a few years it can and will happen to other manufactures as well. Once the non federal tax paying foreign companies take over our industries look for prices and taxes to go through the roof. Wake up America!! mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 2. They’re not running off to Mexico to build factories to export back to > the > U.S., like GM, Ford, Daimler, and now even Toyota. Honda does have > manufacturing in Mexico, but for now anyway, they don’t export back to > the U.S.. I think that they realize that it would hurt their reputation if > they > built cars for the U.S. market in Mexico, > So they build some in England instead! > Hopefully Lucas isn’t a supplier for that operation.
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Toyota and Nissan are smart to move to trucks where the market is going. Over 52% of the vehicle sold in the US are trucks and the percentage grows even year. Even the Koreans are making some nice SUV’s. Honda is missing the boat, they better get with the program soon. mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> More SUV’s are coming to market every year, that is buyers want > and are buying. It’s driving the anti SUV crowd nuts because > they can’t do anything about it. > itll take care of itself. its a big pie, but there are a lot of players . > isuzu, for one, is slipping. mitsu as well. mazda doesnt really have > anything, so that leaves nissan, toyota, and honda for the imports.
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> 2. They’re not running off to Mexico to build factories to export back to > the > U.S., like GM, Ford, Daimler, and now even Toyota. Honda does have > manufacturing in Mexico, but for now anyway, they don’t export back to > the U.S.. I think that they realize that it would hurt their reputation if > they > built cars for the U.S. market in Mexico,
So they build some in England instead! Hopefully Lucas isn’t a supplier for that operation.
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Might be better than the Ford equipment in the Ody in the states. My first new Honda, and it has Ford equipment. Damn Honda. Does Ford own Lucas? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > So they build some in England instead! > Hopefully Lucas isn’t a supplier for that operation.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 2. They’re not running off to Mexico to build factories to export back to > the > U.S., like GM, Ford, Daimler, and now even Toyota. Honda does have > manufacturing in Mexico, but for now anyway, they don’t export back to > the U.S.. I think that they realize that it would hurt their reputation if > they > built cars for the U.S. market in Mexico, >So they build some in England instead! >Hopefully Lucas isn’t a supplier for that operation.
AFAICT Lucas is long gone – along with Rubery Owen… good fuckin’ riddance to both… and the rest of the U.K. car industry.:-) IIRC Lucas was taken over by the remnants of Massey Ferguson (oddball name escapes me) years ago and then TRW stepped in and took over parts of that including what was left of the Lucas operations, so it’s basically U.S. owned now. I think I read somewhere that they market an air conditioning test/recovery station under the Lucas brand name… and maybe some aircraft electronic parts – scary stuff! There was a story a few years ago that when Rover and Honda hooked up for joint production in the U.K., for the Honda Concerto/Rover 200(?) line (~1991), Honda refused to put their badges on the early production units until the quality was brought up to their standards. So, maybe there’s some hope that the U.K. Hondas have what we expect. Anybody with a Swindon Civic Si or CR-V… I’d love to hear what they think… battery manufacturer? Rgds, George Macdonald "Just because they’re paranoid doesn’t mean you’re not psychotic" – Who, me??
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> Gee Ford only has four of the top ten. The F Series only sold > 100,000 more than the two Hondas. Ford is slipping.
from what the trade industry papers say, they are. massive debt, pensions, etc.
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> More SUV’s are coming to market every year, that is buyers want > and are buying. It’s driving the anti SUV crowd nuts because > they can’t do anything about it.
itll take care of itself. its a big pie, but there are a lot of players . isuzu, for one, is slipping. mitsu as well. mazda doesnt really have anything, so that leaves nissan, toyota, and honda for the imports.
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Gee Ford only has four of the top ten. The F Series only sold 100,000 more than the two Hondas. Ford is slipping. mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Here are the ten bestsellers with total sales (US) figures for calendar year > 2002, based on data published by J.D. Power and Associates: > 1.. Ford F-Series > 811,164 > 2.. Chevrolet Silverado > 652,646 > 3.. Toyota Camry > 434,145 > 4.. Honda Accord > 398,980 > 5.. Dodge Ram > 396,934 > 6.. Ford Taurus > 332,690 > 7.. Honda Civic > 313,159 > 8.. Ford Explorer > 312,371 > 9.. Dodge Caravan > 244,911 > 10.. Ford Focus > 243,199
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> Yeah, I heard the Jettas had more problems (than Passats) because they are > assembled in Mexico (while the Passat is assembled in Germany).
because the german workers have good wages and benefits theyre afraid to lose, while the mexicans just dont give a shit.
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> Here are the ten bestsellers with total sales (US) figures for calendar year > 2002, based on data published by J.D. Power and Associates: > 1.. Ford F-Series > 811,164
thats the 150, 250, 350? > 2.. Chevrolet Silverado > 652,646
now how about the GMC version? same truck.
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More SUV’s are coming to market every year, that is buyers want and are buying. It’s driving the anti SUV crowd nuts because they can’t do anything about it. Imagine that, consumers are actually buying what they want, need and can afford. What an alien concept. ;) mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Source: Wall Street Journal May 2, 2003 >>Overall market – 6.2% >>GM – 9.0% >>Ford – 6.9% >>DaimlerChrysler - 10.0% >Sure hope that means their horrendous SUVs are on their way out. > Sorry, truck sales were up. Car sales were down by that much more > to make overall sales down.
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Who’da thunk Hyundai would ever recover like they did? VW was coming off a very good 2002, so it’s not suprising they are doing poorer with the new Camry and Accord models cutting into the Passat sales, and the New Beetle losing its cachet. The Jetta is too expensive for a Mexican-built car, and of course VW’s reliability issues are legendary. Honda seems to be able to do no wrong. The Odyssey and the Pilot are still fetching nearly MSRP, but they are not overpriced. What I REALLY like about Honda: 1. They don’t whine about emissions or MPG regulations. Even Toyota is whining, now that they are building more larger trucks and SUVs. 2. They’re not running off to Mexico to build factories to export back to the U.S., like GM, Ford, Daimler, and now even Toyota. Honda does have manufacturing in Mexico, but for now anyway, they don’t export back to the U.S.. I think that they realize that it would hurt their reputation if they built cars for the U.S. market in Mexico, and they’re not willing to do that just to save on assembly costs. People feel good about buying a Honda made in the U.S. versus a Maquiladora GM, Ford or Chrysler.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Guess the econo cars are doing best. Ouch VW!
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They are ALL going pretty fast. The annual selling rate in the US is over 17 million up four million from just five years ago. It a new car buyers market today. There are just too many manufactures offering too many vehicle to too few buyers. mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Guess the econo cars are doing best. Ouch VW! > Source: Wall Street Journal May 2, 2003 > Overall market – 6.2% > GM – 9.0% > Ford – 6.9% > DaimlerChrysler – 10.0% > Toyota – 0.9% > Nissan – 4.2% > Volkswagen – 19.0% > Hyundai + 8.7% > Honda + 11.0%
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Here are the ten bestsellers with total sales (US) figures for calendar year 2002, based on data published by J.D. Power and Associates: 1.. Ford F-Series 811,164 2.. Chevrolet Silverado 652,646 3.. Toyota Camry 434,145 4.. Honda Accord 398,980 5.. Dodge Ram 396,934 6.. Ford Taurus 332,690 7.. Honda Civic 313,159 8.. Ford Explorer 312,371 9.. Dodge Caravan 244,911 10.. Ford Focus 243,199
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Source: Wall Street Journal May 2, 2003 >Overall market – 6.2% >GM – 9.0% >Ford – 6.9% >DaimlerChrysler – 10.0% > Sure hope that means their horrendous SUVs are on their way out. > ( modify address for return email ) > www.numbersusa.com > www.americanpatrol.com
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>Source: Wall Street Journal May 2, 2003 >Overall market - 6.2% >GM - 9.0% >Ford - 6.9% >DaimlerChrysler – 10.0%
Sure hope that means their horrendous SUVs are on their way out. ( modify address for return email ) www.numbersusa.com www.americanpatrol.com
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>>Source: Wall Street Journal May 2, 2003 >Overall market – 6.2% >GM – 9.0% >Ford – 6.9% >DaimlerChrysler - 10.0% >Sure hope that means their horrendous SUVs are on their way out.
Sorry, truck sales were up. Car sales were down by that much more to make overall sales down.
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Yeah, I heard the Jettas had more problems (than Passats) because they are assembled in Mexico (while the Passat is assembled in Germany).
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> VW is taking a beating due to poor reliability. They have had numerous > problems with Jetta’s and Golf’s, and even some with the Passat. Consumer > Report’s repair survey shows VW to have the 2nd most repair problems of any > manufacturer, ahead of only Cadillac. And a repair rate that is almost 4 > times that of Honda & Toyota. > Usually in quality control, one is talking differences of maybe 10%-20%-30%. > In this case, we are talking 300% higher. > Their cars are wonderfully designed and a thrill to drive. But if you go > into various VW forums, many owners are now saying that they are very fun to > drive … when they are not in the shop. > And many VW owners are dropping lemons into the used car market. Consumer > Report has now put the Jetta on their "Used Cars to Avoid" list. > My local VW dealer has a huge inventory right now. You would be hard > pressed to squeeze another car onto his lot. > Guess the econo cars are doing best. Ouch VW! >> Source: Wall Street Journal May 2, 2003 >> Overall market – 6.2% >> GM – 9.0% >> Ford – 6.9% >> DaimlerChrysler – 10.0% >> Toyota – 0.9% >> Nissan – 4.2% >> Volkswagen – 19.0% >> Hyundai + 8.7% >> Honda + 11.0%
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Source: Wall Street Journal May 2, 2003 Overall market - 6.2% GM - 9.0% Ford - 6.9% DaimlerChrysler – 10.0% Toyota - 0.9% Nissan - 4.2% Volkswagen - 19.0% Hyundai + 8.7% Honda + 11.0%
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As a percentage of what? mike hunt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Source: Wall Street Journal May 2, 2003 > Overall market - 6.2% > GM - 9.0% > Ford - 6.9% > DaimlerChrysler – 10.0% > Toyota - 0.9% > Nissan - 4.2% > Volkswagen - 19.0% > Hyundai + 8.7% > Honda + 11.0%
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>As a percentage of what? >mike hunt
Compared to April 2002 sales. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Source: Wall Street Journal May 2, 2003 > Overall market - 6.2% > GM - 9.0% > Ford - 6.9% > DaimlerChrysler – 10.0% > Toyota - 0.9% > Nissan - 4.2% > Volkswagen - 19.0% > Hyundai + 8.7% > Honda + 11.0%
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Guess the econo cars are doing best. Ouch VW!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Source: Wall Street Journal May 2, 2003 > Overall market – 6.2% > GM – 9.0% > Ford – 6.9% > DaimlerChrysler – 10.0% > Toyota – 0.9% > Nissan – 4.2% > Volkswagen – 19.0% > Hyundai + 8.7% > Honda + 11.0%
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VW is taking a beating due to poor reliability. They have had numerous problems with Jetta’s and Golf’s, and even some with the Passat. Consumer Report’s repair survey shows VW to have the 2nd most repair problems of any manufacturer, ahead of only Cadillac. And a repair rate that is almost 4 times that of Honda & Toyota. Usually in quality control, one is talking differences of maybe 10%-20%-30%. In this case, we are talking 300% higher. Their cars are wonderfully designed and a thrill to drive. But if you go into various VW forums, many owners are now saying that they are very fun to drive … when they are not in the shop. And many VW owners are dropping lemons into the used car market. Consumer Report has now put the Jetta on their "Used Cars to Avoid" list. My local VW dealer has a huge inventory right now. You would be hard pressed to squeeze another car onto his lot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Guess the econo cars are doing best. Ouch VW! > Source: Wall Street Journal May 2, 2003 > Overall market – 6.2% > GM – 9.0% > Ford – 6.9% > DaimlerChrysler – 10.0% > Toyota – 0.9% > Nissan – 4.2% > Volkswagen – 19.0% > Hyundai + 8.7% > Honda + 11.0%
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